Is It Right?

[tonyr]

With the continued rise of file sharing sites, is it right that adult, ultimately, sexually oriented ballbusting content, should sit amongst content that features minors in non-sexual accidental groin related mishaps?

Does the then promotion of such sites or clips pose moral and/or legal issues?

Serious and intelligent replies ONLY!!!

[abused berries]

i think its only a matter of time before youtube and others get wise to the fact that people are getting off from these underage clips. however, one man's trash is another man's treasure. in a way its like asking if the entertainment world will realise that people were jacking off to speares, lohan, and duff before they were 18. there is quasi prnography all around us featuring minors and as long as they are clothed it will probably continue to not be considered sex unless the fetish booms to such a considerable extent that the content becomes flagged as inherently sexual and then policed.

as far as a moral implication, i think it is somewhat disturbing that in a lot of these 'homemade/underage' videos, quite a few of the videos seem to have the camera person and male participant fully aware of the fetish and the onlookers and female participant immune to the fact that she is participating in content that many feel is superior to the real thing on the internet. many of the youtube videos demonstrate real ballbusting knowledge: asking the girl to kick a certain way, such as with her instep, camera shots patterned after real BB shots, such as behind and below, etc.

people will always try to push the envelope i suppose. i once saw a yahoo group for "kids mixed wrestling" which was a very young boy and girl wrestling on a bed. a little too close for comfort if you know what i mean. many of the poses were provocative. the kids couldnt have been more than 11 or 12. and no i wasnt searching for child porn...i was searchign for mixed wrestling so i dont want anyone to start riding my nuts on this issue. :autogun

[Magnum]

Unfortunately many of the ballbusts occur with high school age kids. It seems that after the early 20's gals become much more conscious of damaging a mans reproductive organs. In todays world with 14 yr. old gals looking like they are about 25 it is sometimes really hard to even judge their age. I hate kiddie porn and think anyone who violates a child should be put to death, period. I certainly would be upset if people lumped our fetish in with child porn and hope we can separate the two on these forums so people don't think we are into child porn. So to answer the question there needs to be a limit so no children are included in our ballbusting content. Once again though, it will be hard to determine some of the ages of the guys and gals in certain videos just because of the maturity of the young adults being filmed.

[tonyr]

As it stands, the various file sharing sites out there are fully liable for any content that is found to be foul of the law. These sites are being continuously promoted indirectly via forums, where forum members are directing other forum members to specific clips that do not fall foul of legistlation and features adults.
I am not a great lover of file sharing sites. I may well be biased, I am a site owner and a content producer. I want an environment that benifits what I do to the maximum. I am also a follower and participant with regards to ballbusting. This is where I feel absolutely strongest with regards to the blurred lines with regards to content on 'Our Subject' What we are into, is the in the adult realm. I really do not think that my or anyone elses content, that is certainly created for the consensual adult ballbusting marketplace should be uploading content to these sites when it then sits amongst other material that features minors or non-consenual activity. I am very anti ballbusting being featured in potential mainstream paths. It is very much adult entertainment and more so it is very much a misconstrued thing much beyond the immediate core whom are into it.
If we turn a blind eye to such blatant facts, then what else will we turn away from an ignore the implications of. The rise of file sharing sites where consensual adult oriented content sits amongst non consensual adult content and non adult content is not without serious implications and ramifications for the consenual adult content marketplace both its consumers and its producers. These sites have sprung into existence partly through, the very ease of file sharing and a desire amongst net users to share content. Also, they have sprung into existence due to some net users not wanting to purchase content or not being in a position to do so.
Where I have much revulsion, is the fact that some producers of consensual adult content, are uploading there own material for promotional/money making reasons. They have either not thought it out or just do not care. More so, they have the nerve to use this and other forums to plug their content that is amongst non-consenual material and under age material.
I fully agree that Quasi-pornography is alround us, but that doesn't make it right and that doesn't mean we should ignore what is a continous problem that can end up affecting those of us whom are trying to abide by both legal and moral lines. I am not attacking your reply. I am lining up and making aware a problem that none of us should ignore.

I, for one, will not be visiting such sites other than to note whom is continuintg with this practice. I most certainly will not be uploading or downloading any content from them. I will not be promoting any of them and will start to drop those whom I fine are using such sites as a point of promotion. I will make those whose content has ended up on such sites aware of this and hope that they will pushed for it to be removed. I only too well know that they the content creator, may well have never uploaded their content to such sites. After such consultations, if I see such practices continuing, I will cease any links or associations with such sites.
I am not God and I am not perfect, but I truely have a revulsion for pedophillia and its practictioners, be they the lowly of society or those whom sit at the pinancle of society.
I hope others will understand why and will follow.
What we are into, is an adult activity. It has no place amongst non-adult content. None what so ever.



i think its only a matter of time before youtube and others get wise to the fact that people are getting off from these underage clips. however, one man's trash is another man's treasure. in a way its like asking if the entertainment world will realise that people were jacking off to speares, lohan, and duff before they were 18. there is quasi prnography all around us featuring minors and as long as they are clothed it will probably continue to not be considered sex unless the fetish booms to such a considerable extent that the content becomes flagged as inherently sexual and then policed.

as far as a moral implication, i think it is somewhat disturbing that in a lot of these 'homemade/underage' videos, quite a few of the videos seem to have the camera person and male participant fully aware of the fetish and the onlookers and female participant immune to the fact that she is participating in content that many feel is superior to the real thing on the internet. many of the youtube videos demonstrate real ballbusting knowledge: asking the girl to kick a certain way, such as with her instep, camera shots patterned after real BB shots, such as behind and below, etc.

people will always try to push the envelope i suppose. i once saw a yahoo group for "kids mixed wrestling" which was a very young boy and girl wrestling on a bed. a little too close for comfort if you know what i mean. many of the poses were provocative. the kids couldnt have been more than 11 or 12. and no i wasnt searching for child porn...i was searchign for mixed wrestling so i dont want anyone to start riding my nuts on this issue. :autogun

[abused berries]

as much as it is "adult content," one need only spend a few seconds on this board to read accounts, stories, and embellished nonfictional works of underage exposure to ballbusting. many people enjoy this fetish because something happened to them when they were young. unfortunately, i think that it is tied to youth for a lot of people.

i simply follow the line that if its not considered sexual at the time it can hardly be considered pornography if taped. im a strict constructionist when it comes to these things and i see no reason to reduce the issue to fallacious reasoning such as "who benefits/enjoys this content." what someone else gets out of the content does not change what it is. many people think that a woman stepping on fruit, vegetables and eggs is fetish porn. it depends on where you want to draw the line.

[tonyr]

Bro Abused Berries,

The two should and must be separated. If not, one is just ensuring the hypocritical wrath of the authorities.

Fallacious:adj. 1. a mistaken belief, esp. based on unsound argument.
2. faulty reasoning; misleading or unsound argument. 3. Logic a flaw that vitatetes an argument.

This forum is the adult realm. If someone wishes to speak of an experience of childhood, then that is theirs. To post it up for entertainment value is pedophillia.
What I am stating only yet again, is that the two are not in the same realm. I decided to follow one of these links posted up on this forum. Rest assured, I saw clips featuring adult consensual ballbusting. What I did not expect to remotely see was links to clips on the recommeded file sharing site that featured KIDS!!!

Yeah it goes on, and will continue to. It as entertainment near on par with what my or any consenual adult site is producing, HELL FUCKING NO!!! :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:
As for a woman stepping on eggs,fruit, vegetables as fetish porn. On my fucking site it is exactly that. PORN
and very much for adults. And with that comes numerous problems and issues.
The two don't sit together and that is that. The convienience of turning the not so blind eye and the ignoring of the cold hard facts is HYPOCRACY!!!
and feeds very subtly and sadly into the vast and fathomless evil world that pedophillia so comfortably exists.


as much as it is "adult content," one need only spend a few seconds on this board to read accounts, stories, and embellished nonfictional works of underage exposure to ballbusting. many people enjoy this fetish because something happened to them when they were young. unfortunately, i think that it is tied to youth for a lot of people.

i simply follow the line that if its not considered sexual at the time it can hardly be considered pornography if taped. im a strict constructionist when it comes to these things and i see no reason to reduce the issue to fallacious reasoning such as "who benefits/enjoys this content." what someone else gets out of the content does not change what it is. many people think that a woman stepping on fruit, vegetables and eggs is fetish porn. it depends on where you want to draw the line.

[tonyr]

Bro Magnum,

Better still, let us snub any file-sharing site that lumps 'OUR CONSENSUAL ADULTS amongst CONSENSUAL ADULTS for CONSENSUAL ADULTS' thing, if they dare to group us in the same realm as minors and non-consensual sick stuff. Those whom post up material that is consensual adults amongst material that is not, should be made aware of how wrong and out of place it is.
This is very much the way forwards. Anything less is half stepping and feeding that vile and sick P-word.


Unfortunately many of the ballbusts occur with high school age kids. It seems that after the early 20's gals become much more conscious of damaging a mans reproductive organs. In todays world with 14 yr. old gals looking like they are about 25 it is sometimes really hard to even judge their age. I hate kiddie porn and think anyone who violates a child should be put to death, period. I certainly would be upset if people lumped our fetish in with child porn and hope we can separate the two on these forums so people don't think we are into child porn. So to answer the question there needs to be a limit so no children are included in our ballbusting content. Once again though, it will be hard to determine some of the ages of the guys and gals in certain videos just because of the maturity of the young adults being filmed.

[abused berries]

when i said fallacious i was being specific...the animistic fallacy as its called is sometimes referred to as the 'who benefits' fallacy. in other words, someone's enjoyment or hatred of something reflects on it. for instance, dont do anything the nazis did, because nazis were 100% bad. nazis ate food and breathed air...are those things bad? things themselves deserve their own analysis that is not subject to the unknowable desires of perverts and pedophiles. if the pornography is exploitative, then its wrong. if there is nothing wrong with the act, it cant be deemed wrong retroactively just because, down the line, someone wanks while watching it. theres nothing unsound about separating the act from someone else's unique and removed enjoyment.

likewise im pretty sure that the government cant just step up and declare something illegal retroactively and punish people for consuming/hosting/producing such material. since you are a content provider i understand your unique concern. but its not like if people get wise to the fetish that you can be made liable for what was, at the time, legal.

wacking off to Saved by the Bell is not pedophilia you should be concerned with. you cannot "feed" a fetish like pedophilia...people will find ways to enjoy their desires with or without you. you may as well work to ban any suggestive image of children. put anyone under 18 in a parka and zip it up. you dont want any nasty pedos sneaking in a quick wank.

[tonyr]

Bro Abused Berries,

Your arguments below are totally cool. I am not in disagreement with them, on the whole. My beef is simple. Content that is adult and consensual has no place in an arena where the complete opposit is also residing. Worst still, if a content creator uploads to such sites, whilst being clearly aware that the opposit sits on the same site, then they are in the wrong. If a follower/paticipant of consensual adult ballbusting uploads/visits such a site and becomes aware of non-consensual material and/or underage material, ideally they should cease visiting that site. I'm sure there are counter arguments but the bottom line of it is that these sites are by the very nature of their existence, facilitating the two realms, one of adult consentual and one of not adult consenual. With contact with regards to the issues, I'm sure the opperator of file sharing sites will try their best to rectify the situaltion. I for one, will contact any content creator and inform them of the fact that their content is currently on a site amongst material that is highly dubious as to the age of its particpants, etc, etc, etc. This is my stand, with regards to the problem. I'm only too bloody aware of the fact that many will not give a shit and will continue to upload material to such file sharing sites and then also come into a forum like this and make it known that they have done so, or have seen suitable content on such sites.
I will simply continue with my stand.




when i said fallacious i was being specific...the animistic fallacy as its called is sometimes referred to as the 'who benefits' fallacy. in other words, someone's enjoyment or hatred of something reflects on it. for instance, dont do anything the nazis did, because nazis were 100% bad. nazis ate food and breathed air...are those things bad? things themselves deserve their own analysis that is not subject to the unknowable desires of perverts and pedophiles. if the pornography is exploitative, then its wrong. if there is nothing wrong with the act, it cant be deemed wrong retroactively just because, down the line, someone wanks while watching it. theres nothing unsound about separating the act from someone else's unique and removed enjoyment.

likewise im pretty sure that the government cant just step up and declare something illegal retroactively and punish people for consuming/hosting/producing such material. since you are a content provider i understand your unique concern. but its not like if people get wise to the fetish that you can be made liable for what was, at the time, legal.

wacking off to Saved by the Bell is not pedophilia you should be concerned with. you cannot "feed" a fetish like pedophilia...people will find ways to enjoy their desires with or without you. you may as well work to ban any suggestive image of children. put anyone under 18 in a parka and zip it up. you dont want any nasty pedos sneaking in a quick wank.

[testiclats]

It's just like the age-old "car wash" hypocracy... High school girls, or even younger, will put on skimpy bikinis and bathing suits and hold a car wash as a fundraiser, and everybody is OK with it, parents aren't concerned, etc... it's considered totally OK and wholesome.

But if you really look at what is happening, they are selling SEX... They are selling the chance for some horny old man to watch jiggling 16 year old boobs in a bikini while they wash the cars. That's what is really going on but nobody wants to admit it.

Our society is fully of hypocracy...

[tonyr]

Bro Testiclats,

This is very much it. I am only too well aware of it. Like I said, my beef with the file sharing sites, those whom keep on plugging them, directly or indirectly, centers around the fact that adult consensual bb sits amongst clips of under age bb. It's really up to us take some sort of stand. That H- word really sums up all to do with pedophillia, in what ever facade it wishes to present itself. I've research a lot into the realities of the world of that nasty P- word subject and Hypocricy is all I can see. Investigations that never conclude. Names that that should be never remotely linked or associated with such activity in light of their standing and position. Perhaps I shold just shut the fuck up and be part of the veil of Hypocricy as well. Sort of shut up, don't argue type of thing. Become Sheeple rather than People.

Guess What?

It ain't me. So I guess I'll keep on Rambling with a purpose, and keep on Rambling with a cause. A very serious one, at that.


It's just like the age-old "car wash" hypocracy... High school girls, or even younger, will put on skimpy bikinis and bathing suits and hold a car wash as a fundraiser, and everybody is OK with it, parents aren't concerned, etc... it's considered totally OK and wholesome.

But if you really look at what is happening, they are selling SEX... They are selling the chance for some horny old man to watch jiggling 16 year old boobs in a bikini while they wash the cars. That's what is really going on but nobody wants to admit it.

Our society is fully of hypocracy...

[Trouble]

Thanks to Abused Berries for making a polite and well-stated explanation of the fallacious thinking that contest that comes to exist, or might come to exist, changes the context of what is.

On a legal note: it is a general principle of law that laws are not retroactive; it is also true, however, that retroactive laws have been enacted before.

One of the people associated with the flick, "The Crotchening", visited the forum after that movie was discussed briefly; he claimed not to have known about there being a ballbusting fetish, but however we enjoyed the movie, more power to us. (It makes sense that a comedian would pick "kicking guys in the crotch" as material for a horror movie spoof, because it really is sooooo ridiculous -- the chick wears a hockey mask and clown shoes and goes on a 'Crotchening'.)

A chick I know told me about when one of her friends kicked a guy in the nuts. She and I thought it was a real turn-on. I doubt that either of the two people on either side of the kick we were discussing thought of it as a sexually-groovy thing. (The guy, in particular, seems to have had this whacky idea that it was just a very painful way to learn that no means no.)

(Remember, kicking guys in the nuts is a good way to help them remember to respect boundaries.)

[tonyr]

Is it right?
Should it be ignored?
If not, what is the course of action that will cease the two being on the same portal, same page and same search classification?


Thanks to Abused Berries for making a polite and well-stated explanation of the fallacious thinking that contest that comes to exist, or might come to exist, changes the context of what is.

On a legal note: it is a general principle of law that laws are not retroactive; it is also true, however, that retroactive laws have been enacted before.

One of the people associated with the flick, "The Crotchening", visited the forum after that movie was discussed briefly; he claimed not to have known about there being a ballbusting fetish, but however we enjoyed the movie, more power to us. (It makes sense that a comedian would pick "kicking guys in the crotch" as material for a horror movie spoof, because it really is sooooo ridiculous -- the chick wears a hockey mask and clown shoes and goes on a 'Crotchening'.)

A chick I know told me about when one of her friends kicked a guy in the nuts. She and I thought it was a real turn-on. I doubt that either of the two people on either side of the kick we were discussing thought of it as a sexually-groovy thing. (The guy, in particular, seems to have had this whacky idea that it was just a very painful way to learn that no means no.)

(Remember, kicking guys in the nuts is a good way to help them remember to respect boundaries.)

[Trouble]

Is it right?
Should it be ignored?
If not, what is the course of action that will cease the two being on the same portal, same page and same search classification?
Is it right: One of the reasons why I am a masochist and not a sadist is that I feel that hurting other people is wrong; therefore, sadism is wrong; therefore, consensual sadism is wrong, just as nonconsensual. Here it helps to keep in mind that I need not, and often should not, insist that other sabide by my feelings on morality -- for one thing, if they did, I'd never get my nuts beat again!

Should it be ignored: I would say that exploitation of children should not be ignored.

Course of action to force child and adult bb from being on same web page and search: Dunnoh. Internet is mostly unregulated.

[tonyr]

Bro Trouble,

You are one of the main 'keepers alive' of OUR FORUM. And I greatly respect that.

I think the way forwards with this is after much contmeplation, is for the various file sharing portals whom have unfortunately adult consensual Bb and the accidental groin blows related video clips, (the type of stuff one sees on T.V. shows like 'You've Been Framed, etc, which have come into popularity due to the widespead availablity of video camcorders), under the same categories of search terms, to be made aware of this error.
They will at least understand that Bb is idealy, an adult consenual sexual activity and they hopefully will relise that the two should not be together. The adult consenual Bb material needs to sit behind a clear adults only warning page. I'm sure that much of the upload/maintainence of such sites, is very much an automated process. Hopefully they will apply some human interaction and separate the content into the to clearly defined areas.

I hope that this approach can be replicated by members of this forum. If a member is aware of such a situation, they idealy should inform the content creator/ web site of the adult consensual material, that their content is unfortunately amongst unsuitable content, as defined above. The original content creator may well not have been the uploader of the clip, to the portal, but at least they will now at least be aware of the problem and they can add further weight to the need for the portal operator to rectify the situaltion.
More so, I hope that members of this forum will cease to provide links to content at portals that have this confusion of content on their file sharing sites until it has been sorted out.
This is positive action and stops the promotion of portals that have not dealt with this issue or may not even be aware of it. It sets a stand on a situation that is VERY WRONG. The two types of content are in no way related. We are adults into a adults amongst adults thing and that is it.


Is it right: One of the reasons why I am a masochist and not a sadist is that I feel that hurting other people is wrong; therefore, sadism is wrong; therefore, consensual sadism is wrong, just as nonconsensual. Here it helps to keep in mind that I need not, and often should not, insist that other sabide by my feelings on morality -- for one thing, if they did, I'd never get my nuts beat again!

Should it be ignored: I would say that exploitation of children should not be ignored.

Course of action to force child and adult bb from being on same web page and search: Dunnoh. Internet is mostly unregulated.

[tim157b157]

kiddie porn is wrong but as far as the underage bust as long as they have clothes on then i don't think it will be a problem the law say for nude not for something non nude or sexual contact a kick in the balls in not sexual contact

[tonyr]

Bro Tim157b157,

The law is at most times an ASS. I am not soley dealing with staute, if at all. What I am stating is that the two, consentual adult ballbusting material, should not be on the same portal, the same search classifications as any other stuff that is non consentual or even consentual but underage. Teens having a fight that features a kick to the groin or teens enguaging in kicking one another in the balls, consentual or non-consentual, even adults enguaging in non=consentual stuff that features a kick to the groin, should not and are not in the same arena, clothed or otherwise. Ballbusting, is consentual adult activity. Any other alternatives, is inappropriate. It is very much about the law that resides within us all. Ballbusting is very much sexual activity to me.


kiddie porn is wrong but as far as the underage bust as long as they have clothes on then i don't think it will be a problem the law say for nude not for something non nude or sexual contact a kick in the balls in not sexual contact

[tim157b157]

maybe you are right

[SavoirFaire]

Bro Tim157b157,

The law is at most times an ASS. I am not soley dealing with staute, if at all. What I am stating is that the two, consentual adult ballbusting material, should not be on the same portal, the same search classifications as any other stuff that is non consentual or even consentual but underage. Teens having a fight that features a kick to the groin or teens enguaging in kicking one another in the balls, consentual or non-consentual, even adults enguaging in non=consentual stuff that features a kick to the groin, should not and are not in the same arena, clothed or otherwise. Ballbusting, is consentual adult activity. Any other alternatives, is inappropriate. It is very much about the law that resides within us all. Ballbusting is very much sexual activity to me.


I agree with the consentual vs accidental argument, besides consentual is always BETTER stuff since it usually aims to the fetish core. Accidental stuff its plain stupid or teastless, lacks of a good story.

[tim157b157]

yes i think you are right