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This is totally off topic, but this WHOLE thread is pretty much off topic :p
In this thread http://forums.femaledom.com/showthread.php?t=3015 I asked a question and made a statement. Tony replied that he agreed. The next post told me I had to 'calm down'. Now, there seems to be a lot of DAMN nice guys on here who seem to be very up front and honest, so could someone please answer this question for me ???
Why do so many men assume a girl is angry or upset when she voices an opinion???
Oh, one more question :) Why do these same men, quite often, make unfounded claims then ask the girl to prove them wrong when they, themselves, have not even bothered to prove what they say is anywhere near fact???
Any, unsarcastic, replies would be aprreciated :)
The Forum has an element that seem to get off on hoping to wind you and other female contributors up. I think it is a fantasy jerk of thing that culmnates with the fantasy angry female getting real raw and ballbusting in total and absolute anger. There is an element whom just love to play devil's advocate. I've posted a damn serious thread about the situation with regards to file sharing sites and the placing of adult consensual material amonst highly dubious material with regards to age. It has been more or less ignored and there was even a surge in forum members plugging clips on a file sharing site that this problem is so blantant to see. Something is seriously adrift. and that is terming it in a nice manner. I hope the moderator and forum owners will deal with this and other issues soon. I took time out from the forum for a period of time and when I cameback, the slide was like a brick on the head. It is frustrating, but this should not make you stop contributing. You are very much a leader rather than follower, Julie. Please keep on with the intelligent perspective.
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The story of Chaos:Quote:
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In another part of the Internet and a completely different part of reality altogether, I ran across Chaos in a forum. Chaos got into many arguments; at one point I sent a private message about someone who was either a) completely wrong, or b) obviously right (I forget which, and, really, is there a difference?).
Chaos replied in agreement or disagreement (again, what's the diff?) and said, "But how did you guess that I'm a woman?"
Everyone addressed her as if she were male and applied male pronouns to her; I had looked at her "profile" on the site, and there was just this one... tiny... clue. Since Chaos never specified gender, I had assumed she were a she, regardless of what everyone else was assuming.
She said that she had not intended to mislead anyone, but just did not answer what her gonadal-affiliation was on the profile page; everyone had assumed she was a man and she decided to see what being a man was like.
Her report: it was great! In real life, when she makes a suggestion, guys say, "Great idea!" and then ignore her. In the forum, she would make a suggestion, and people would tear her idea apart and explain why she was SOOOOOOO wrong. (And she loved the nickname people used for her: 'the most disruptive man on the forum!')
So it was our secret for a while, and then it wasn't [boring details omitted] a secret any more: Chaos was a chick! Suddenly, she was back to having "great ideas!" -- that were ignored. Guys dropped compliments on her, and plenty of unintentional backslaps.
Since you wannah go way off topic, Julie18nz, here yah go:
This is all consistent with my interpretation of how society enforces gender roles. Part of your gender role, being that u r a chick, is that you are not supposed to HAVE an opinion, or any ideas or aspirations. When you voice an opinion, you are challenging the trained gender roles and, thereby, calling on all ****** that maintain the prejudices of society to silence you.
Chaos ran into it; I run into it; you run into it; and so does and will anyone else so long as we have gender roles.
The negative side of the assumption that women have no brains should be obvious: the worth of women is devalued, much of their potential is held back, they get treated like they just might qualify for the Special Olympics if they try really hard, etc.
The positive side is often left unspoken, but you KNOW how trouble NEVER leaves anything unspoken: the assumption that women are brainless gives them an extra helping of innocence: in a fight, they MUST have been the victims! (Hence, no disciplinary action ever seems to befall ballbusters.) In a robbery, they MUST have been duped by the males with whom they were robbing a bank! Why, a woman would NEVER rob a bank, she was just going along with her man! A racist woman? Why, she was just led into it by her husband! Margaret Thatcher, a warmonger? Well, being a woman, and therefore brainless, she was just eager to go to war because the MEN in gummint wanted a war! Etc.
WHEREUPON! Trouble wraps it up: Men assume that a woman who expresses an opinion is angry or crazed or drunk or something because all children are brainwashed growing up to adhere to carefully-crafted personae and gender roles; men and women who defy those gender roles are challenging brainwashing that is begun when a person is less than old enough to speak -- deeply-ingrained stuff.
Oh, and it bothers Trouble when you have an opinion because your opinion is that Trouble talks too much.
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Uh... Wild guess here, but maybe because they are unable to spot their own logical fallacies, or unable to understand that it is possible for them to be commiting a tu quoque fallacy simply by refusing to provide evidence for their claim but demanding evidence for yours? Um, maybe they're really dumb? Possibly they are just peeved because you are defying the Law Of Chicks by having a brain, which is forbidden in the Book Of Dude? Hmmm... Maybe because they are talented at getting feminists angry enough to bust their nuts and see no other worth in women than in their use as objects for their own sexuall gratification?Quote:
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WHEREUPON, Trouble sums it up: Some people are just jerks.
Trouble don't do "unsarcastic". Now, get barefoot, back in the kitchen, and make me a pot pie.Quote:
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On this and other forums women are generally patronised and put up on a pedestal. You, Snoodle, EvilGirl, et al all get the red carpet every time you post. I haven't seen anything contrary yet, but perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention. In that thread you were quite obviously lashing out at the thread starter with some unsubstantiated beef about pedophilia. I think he handled it surprisingly well, I would have reported you to the moderator, nothing personal, you're a great contributor and one of the few real adults in the scene, but you were way out of line there. Trouble's pseudo sagely rhetoric about women would make one think the industrial revolution and communism never happened, that we have to view history as handed down and censored through pampered middle class lefties, when the facts paint women as collaborators and contributors to society. I was watching a German doco just yesterday that used the latest research to debunk every single myth about witch burnings in the darkest period of that country's history. Pretty much fucks up an entire wing of Feminist propaganda in one foul swoop. So please, the two of, stop invoking junk science and pleading victim status when it is you lashing out at others, it's very immature. And Tonyr's garish psychedelic typfacing isn't helping anyone's credibility. You're great all of you, and everyone here loves you, just look at the support you invoked. It's obvious that if there is any imbalance it's been in your favour from the start.
Ah, you read too much into my pseudo sagely mumblings. I do not see women as victims -- or, at least, not as mere victims -- but as collaborators in their status, just as men are both victim and collaborator in their status. You might want to read up on Emma Goldman or some of the other, more progressive, feminists, and skip the hysterics of people like Ehrenreich.Quote:
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Reading my quasi-awake ramblings, I note that I did not place any blame on "men", so much as that nebulous thing, "society". Now, you, too, get back in the kitchen and help Julie with my pot pie.
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[QUOTE=fightfair] In that thread you were quite obviously lashing out at the thread starter with some unsubstantiated beef about pedophilia. I think he handled it surprisingly well, I would have reported you to the moderator, nothing personal, you're a great contributor and one of the few real adults in the scene, but you were way out of line there. [/QUO
Hi Fightfair :) I have read and re-reads what I said, and nowhere did I say one single thing aboput pedophilia. I said " Talking to underage people about things you shouldnt?" or words to that effect. I never suggested pedophilia and that hoestly never even crossed my mind. You can do that is wrong, to a child, than just commit pedophilia. I was also NOT attacking the thread starter. To u I may have been out of line, ok, but to me, you read a heck of a lot more in those two sentences than I ever ever wrote. I dont go around putting words in other peoples mouths, and would appreciate it if people didnt put them in mine either. If I have something to say, then I say it, I dont right one thing and mean another :)
I do, however make very bad typos and forget to check them :p When I said "You can do that is wrong, to a child, than just commit pedophilia." I meant to say "You can do more that is wrong to a child that just pedophilia" and when I say "YOU" I am not meaning YOU personally. It should also say "I dont write" not "I dont right" :DQuote:
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You can have whatever ya want babe (so long as I get to watch) :iluvu:Quote:
Originally Posted by Julie18nz